Anubis's Warn Appeal - 2020-05-22 21:07:24

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Anubis
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Your In-Game Name: Anubis

Staff Member that warned you: Holy

Reason given for the warn: Vehicle/Drone Engagement

Date and time of the occurrence: 22/05/2020 20:54

Photographic/Video Evidence:

Other Information: I ID'd a tank that was in CZ in /c comms. The tank did not ID and I engaged it. I was pulled into a sit because of this and ended up being warned for Vehicle/Drone Engagement. I don't believe the warn is justified. I had the same situatuion happen to me before but reverse and the staff member defended the other person and I was told that IDing in /c is OK and the other person recieved no punishment. It makes sense because if the vehicle doesn't ID and it's in CZ it's the other factions and can be engaged. These kinds of double standards are why I quit the server long ago and it seems to be happening again.


2020-05-22 21:21:19

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Holy
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As you can see here, he ID'ed the tank in faction comms, but the rule says, you can ask for ID in open comms (/advert). There is no chance for other side to see the ID.
https://imgur.com/a/h85FKgi

Last Edit 2020-05-22 21:22:19 by Holy

2020-05-22 21:33:08

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Anubis
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It doesn't matter if they can or cannot see the ID, I basically asked in faction comms if we have a tank at CZ, nobody responded so I engaged the TA's vehicle since it was a CZ so he is KOS. I didn't engage him because he didn't show ID I engaged him because he was a TA in CZ. Last Edit 2020-05-22 21:34:24 by Anubis

2020-05-22 21:43:09

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Eddie
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Hey. I'm the tank you engaged.

As explained in the sit, the rule specifically states that you have to ask a vehicle to ID in "open communications", and there's a solid reason for that. Yes, the /c method makes sense, and technically proves them as the enemy faction, but it also causes a lot of problems. If you ask for ID in /c, then somebody of the enemy faction will not know, and it will look like you shot them without making any attempt at identifying their faction. And thus, they'll call staff, just as I did. You can see how this causes a lot of confusion and would lead to a lot of false staff sits, therefore wasting staff's time. That's why both factions need to be able to see the request for ID (open comms), and why the rule demands this.


2020-05-22 21:47:31

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Anubis
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Are you saying that I can't shoot a TA vehicle inside CZ without IDing it even tho I know it's TA? That doesn't make sense, TA are KOS in CZ so I had every right to engage you. 

2020-05-22 21:54:40

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Eddie
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But the thing is, it's a tank, which leaves me no choice but to think you didn't know I was TA. Like I said, leading to an unnecessary staff sit.

Last Edit 2020-05-22 21:55:00 by Eddie

2020-05-22 22:58:25

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Sir Bodges
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Denied,


This is not a case of double standards. In the rules it states "You can request ID from vehicles and drones in open communications, if they fail to state an ID you may engage them if there is an RP reason to do so" meaning that you cannot request ID from people in /c. This rule was change to prevent unnecessary sits of people just not realizing they were being ID'd. You are not allowed to ID in closed communications so that people know they are being ID'd. This rule was changed a while ago now and since then you have not been allowed to do so. This rule is non negotiable, you must ID in advert.

Bodges,
Administrator.


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